Fake Luftwaffe ? SS ? converted flare pistol & Holster

[signalman]

Hello, This is a fake, even with the holster. Rifled barrel, after .45 years of NOT seeing one, this makes the 4th, The first 3 had fake SS markings, this one has fake Luftwaffe proofs.
Amazing what people think up in their spare time.
Good Collecting.

[signalman]

Fake markings

Loaded with fake markings on gun and holster. The ones shown are just a few, there are many more

Is this a real holster for a different kind of European gun, or is it one the fakers just made up ??

Found by Dr. E on Gunbroker

[BrunoH]

Do you know for which gun the holster has been designed for ?

Regards

[signalman]

No, I am not sure if this is a real holster for a postwar pistol, or if it is a fantasy item made by the same folks who converted the flare pistol

[BrunoH]

Ok. Thanks

[billybibbet]

I saw that listed last week and had additional concerns (beyond the questionable history of the item) that it would not be legal to own in the USA unless transferred on an ATF Form 4 as an AOW, since it has been converted to a rifled barrel capable of shooting metallic cartridges.

[signalman]

I would assume it would now be considered a C&R pistol. Needing a C&R or FFL license to transfer.

[billybibbet]

I would assume it would now be considered a C&R pistol. Needing a C&R or FFL license to transfer.

Unlikely C&R license (type 3 FFL) would cover it. Mainly because it is no longer in it's original configuration: http://www.atf.gov/publications/firearm ... index.html
A standard type 1 FFL might work and transfer it like a regular handgun/pistol. The fact it has been converted to a rifled barrel is where things get sticky from a legal perspective. Without that, no license or paperwork would be required (in the USA).

The other interesting aspect of this LP42 is that assuming it is a fake, whether the seller truly believes it is or not....he started the auction at a very low price, I believe less than $100 with no reserve. He wasn't playing the usual tactic of a starting price of $800 for a "extremely rare variant"...

[signalman]

Because the frame and receiver are of C&R age, the rifling does not change that. In my opinion ( worth about as much as it costs ) The rifling only affects whether the pistol is a flare gun - which in most area's no license needed for purchase, or a firearm, that requires a C&R or FFL.

Getting an answer from the BATFE over the internet is like pulling teeth - I think they prefer arresting someone rather than answer a question. The best bet I believe is to ask the question in writing with a SASE envelope enclosed. Unfortunately the answer will come long after the auction ends.

[billybibbet]

I hear you on getting an "official" determination from ATF, and I would want it in writing anyway, just to cover ones self. My concern is ATF no longer considering it a flare pistol, since it is now converted to shooting 9mm pistol cartridges...that moves it to now being a regular "pistol", which would fall under all the usual transfer and licensing requirements? At least that is my train of thought....I cannot say whether I am correct or not in my assumptions.