Hello,
recently I bought a Schermuly flaregun, Type "S 7",
caliber 1 ".
I would like to get all informations, that I can get:
what years of mfg, numbers and so on....
serial nr of mine: 116xx, "CP (?) under crown"
Thanks very much in advance!
Schermuly S 7
Schermuly S 7
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Re: Schermuly S 7
Its a commercially produced 1" signal pistol made by Schermuly, who are better known for making line throwing equipment.
The CP under a crown is a British proof mark, by law signal pistols still had to be proofed. The proof cartridge was in fact a giant shotgun round that had lead pellets, so as to generate enough pressure.
I susspect the S 7 mark is a rack number as this appears to be different to the serial number. I take it you have not confounded the serial number with the patent date?
In general the Schemuly signal pistols are a lot scarcer that Webley or Wolseley who both made over 100,000 each. The quality seems to be a lot lower in terms of the overall finish, no doubt a sign of the times, I would pick these as being post war production, but there is very little information on these pistols out there.
Regards
Alan David
Sydney
The CP under a crown is a British proof mark, by law signal pistols still had to be proofed. The proof cartridge was in fact a giant shotgun round that had lead pellets, so as to generate enough pressure.
I susspect the S 7 mark is a rack number as this appears to be different to the serial number. I take it you have not confounded the serial number with the patent date?
In general the Schemuly signal pistols are a lot scarcer that Webley or Wolseley who both made over 100,000 each. The quality seems to be a lot lower in terms of the overall finish, no doubt a sign of the times, I would pick these as being post war production, but there is very little information on these pistols out there.
Regards
Alan David
Sydney
Re: Schermuly S 7
Hello Alan,
Thank you very much for your post!
The Serialnumber 11xxx is on the right side of the
chamber and just underneath this number between
chamber and trigger. I mean it`s double.
On the left side just underneath the chamber:
SCHERMULY`S P
PAT No 503324
S7
S 7 is very good visible, the rest is weak
On the left side of chamber:
NP 1 " under (??)
No more marks/stamps
I have 3 Schermuly line-throwers and the flaregun above was the first of this type (mfg by Schermuly) I saw in an auction, so I was lucky to get it.
It has a feature, which W&S doesn`t have: if you pullback the cock, there is a bolt coming out of the grip which prevents from using the barrel catch (cannot been opened)
I am looking forward if somebody has more informations.
Regards to Australia
Manfred
Thank you very much for your post!
The Serialnumber 11xxx is on the right side of the
chamber and just underneath this number between
chamber and trigger. I mean it`s double.
On the left side just underneath the chamber:
SCHERMULY`S P
PAT No 503324
S7
S 7 is very good visible, the rest is weak
On the left side of chamber:
NP 1 " under (??)
No more marks/stamps
I have 3 Schermuly line-throwers and the flaregun above was the first of this type (mfg by Schermuly) I saw in an auction, so I was lucky to get it.
It has a feature, which W&S doesn`t have: if you pullback the cock, there is a bolt coming out of the grip which prevents from using the barrel catch (cannot been opened)
I am looking forward if somebody has more informations.
Regards to Australia
Manfred
Re: Schermuly S 7
Hello Manfred
The feature you describe is a safety devise to prevent the barrel being opened if the hammer is at full cock.
This is in fact the difference between a one inch No1 Mk111 signal pistol and a No1 Mk111* signal pistol, the latter having this safety devise.
Out of interest I have just read a catalogue for a big firearms auction in New Zealand which has already taken place. In this auction is a Schermuly pistol s/n 3516. Interestingly it is marked S4. Perhaps this is not a rack number but a model number? The grip is different to your example in that it is the traditional rounded grip.
Although the history of the Schermuly company is well known, virtually no research has been done on the actual line throwers and signal pistols.
I will be in the UK in October and plan on contacting the company that took over Schurmuly and will ask what records they still have and if I can get access to them. I will keep the forum posted.
Regards
AlanD
Sydney
The feature you describe is a safety devise to prevent the barrel being opened if the hammer is at full cock.
This is in fact the difference between a one inch No1 Mk111 signal pistol and a No1 Mk111* signal pistol, the latter having this safety devise.
Out of interest I have just read a catalogue for a big firearms auction in New Zealand which has already taken place. In this auction is a Schermuly pistol s/n 3516. Interestingly it is marked S4. Perhaps this is not a rack number but a model number? The grip is different to your example in that it is the traditional rounded grip.
Although the history of the Schermuly company is well known, virtually no research has been done on the actual line throwers and signal pistols.
I will be in the UK in October and plan on contacting the company that took over Schurmuly and will ask what records they still have and if I can get access to them. I will keep the forum posted.
Regards
AlanD
Sydney
Re: Schermuly S 7
Hello Alan,
thank you for answering!
Good occasion and idea in october...!
I remembered, that I had a contact in the late `80th with
somebody of the Schermuly family. I was told, that there is only
little paperworks they have - but kindly they sent me several original
leaflets concerning linethrowers and their equipment.
So I went on a search-tour in my house and finally found the stuff!
There is only one leaflet about flareguns (attached). Wether underneath
the pictures nor in the text is mentioned a type or name of the "S 7",
only "M" is mentioned. No more pictures of just flareguns, it`s a pity!
Very most of the linethrower-grips are No 1 Mk III, only very few of the
more modern-looking "S 7"-type.
Have a nice day, I would appreciate to read from you again some day!
Regards, Manfred
thank you for answering!
Good occasion and idea in october...!
I remembered, that I had a contact in the late `80th with
somebody of the Schermuly family. I was told, that there is only
little paperworks they have - but kindly they sent me several original
leaflets concerning linethrowers and their equipment.
So I went on a search-tour in my house and finally found the stuff!
There is only one leaflet about flareguns (attached). Wether underneath
the pictures nor in the text is mentioned a type or name of the "S 7",
only "M" is mentioned. No more pictures of just flareguns, it`s a pity!
Very most of the linethrower-grips are No 1 Mk III, only very few of the
more modern-looking "S 7"-type.
Have a nice day, I would appreciate to read from you again some day!
Regards, Manfred
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Re: Schermuly S 7
Very interesting brochure.
I expect you have the publication/booklet that the company put out to celebrate an anniversary 60th maybe? "From Ship to Shore'. A good read with plenty of photos including some signal pistol frames and barrels on a work bench. The book can be picked up on the secondhand bookseller sites such as AbeBooks.
Regards
Alan
I expect you have the publication/booklet that the company put out to celebrate an anniversary 60th maybe? "From Ship to Shore'. A good read with plenty of photos including some signal pistol frames and barrels on a work bench. The book can be picked up on the secondhand bookseller sites such as AbeBooks.
Regards
Alan
Re: Schermuly S 7
Hello Alan,
mine "ship to shore" is a hardcover book, 79 pages printed in 1946.
Just today I received several german brand cal. .4 cartridges (after ww 2)
and enclosed in the packet was an original Schermuly tin can with included
5 cartridges for 1" linethrowers! Real fortune, never saw this before.
See pictures.
I`ll have a look at AbeBooks, thanks!
Regards, have a nice weekend!
Manfred
mine "ship to shore" is a hardcover book, 79 pages printed in 1946.
Just today I received several german brand cal. .4 cartridges (after ww 2)
and enclosed in the packet was an original Schermuly tin can with included
5 cartridges for 1" linethrowers! Real fortune, never saw this before.
See pictures.
I`ll have a look at AbeBooks, thanks!
Regards, have a nice weekend!
Manfred
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